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Why is the purchases of a physical CD or book free from Apple's commissions - but an music download or eBook supposed to cost 30% commission?
Because one has physical production costs involved, while the latter has zero marginal costs of distribution (you don't need to actually print a hardcopy of an ebook or keep stock of it in a warehouse or pay Walmart to distribute it for you; you just need to host a single copy online and it can be replicated endlessly at no additional cost). I do see the logic from an economic standpoint.

That said, I do acknowledge that the both of us are viewing this from 2 separate angles. You are arguing that Apple should not charge 30%. I can agree with you that Apple probably shouldn't, yet at the same time, make the case that it is feasible from an economic perspective (again, because there are zero marginal costs involved, unlike booking an Uber or ordering something on Amazon).
 
That is my argument:

Society should benefit from lower distribution costs.
Rather than allow monopolists charging huge economic rents.
Society shouldn’t be expected to benefit from anything a for profit consumer oriented company. That is the nature of the beast. It should be up to market forces to decide the fate of the such companies.

For profit consumer oriented companies are not public utilities. If apple went under, while there would be ripple effects: people could still make calls, perform online banking, dial up their favorite website and order food etc.

If my water company went belly up and stopped sending water through the pipes…
 
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Moreover, why did the U.S. Supreme Court deny review of the original Apple v Epic case, which let stand the Appellate courts confirmation of the trial courts ruling. Which was that Apple was not a monopoly
It didn't say they weren't a monopoly. They just confirmed that Epic failed to demonstrate it in that trial:

"The Court does not find that it is impossible (that they are a monopoly); only that Epic Games failed in its burden to demonstrate Apple is an illegal monopoly."

That said, whatever the legal reasoning in the U.S. of A. or the court in question is, I disagree with the market definition of lumping all digital mobile gaming transactions together - when the market participants (especially Google and Apple) do not compete with each other (for such transactions).
Just to be clear, that's not me siding with you in your enthusiasm. Clearly, though, there is a distinction between physical and digital because the SCOTUS denied "cert". Otherwise, they'd have agreed to review and I'd guess side with your belief that there should be no difference between the two.
I'm not sure a court of law would necessarily agree with me.

But I'm merely looking at it from an economic perspective: Technological methods - and devices - for distributing media content have been developed that are more efficient (faster, cheaper) than distribution on physical data carriers like disks. That's what society should benefit from: By distribution costs for such products approaching their marginal costs.
 
The most recent ATP podcast talks a lot about the App Store and Apple’s relationship with developers. John Siracusa also wrote a blog post on some of the things Apple could do improve their relationship with developers.
They don't represent the majority of the developers. At best, they represent a loud minority.

Why is Apple so afraid of having to compete here?

IAP via Apple's payment method is better UX.
 
That is my argument:

Society should benefit from lower distribution costs.
Rather than allow monopolists charging huge economic rents.
I really don't think that you are going to find anyone that will disagree with you on either point. I feel the question, instead, is how do you achieve both. Am I not right?

Like seriously, you want "society to benefit from lower distribution costs" - and I don't have anything against this. But, how do you achieve this? How do you implement it? Or, what is the best way to do it. I think those are viable questions.

Why do I ask about or look to see what someone's response to Epic vs Google, as opposed to, Epic v Apple is? To me, I feel it reveals whether they're interested in an actual solution vs a solution that while, very well intentioned, leads to a worse outcome. A sort of "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" type of situation or something analogous to that idiom.

If the situation has gotten so bad that Apple feels it realistically doesn't actually have change its behavior, at all, even after being told it has to by the judge, then why is that?

Sure, that could be politics. Maybe Apple feels it's paid off the right people or that it'll ultimately find sympathy from the appellate or supreme court, under the current administration, where it didn't have said sympathy under the initial review (which was under the former US administration).But, I don't think so.

Realistically I'd say that it is likely because it doesn't have any good competition. Who is its current competition? Google and Android. Which -- doesn't ostensibly operate its mobile platform the same way. Since, they do allow 3rd party app stores and sideloading, right? Obviously, yes they do.

So I have to ask -- why are businesses not taking advantage of either to, as you say, "lower their distribution costs"?Android is 70-80% of the worldwide mobile phone market. So it's not like Google is fighting an uphill battle against Apple for market share. Neither are developers having to develop for an unpopular platform. So, lets count this up: 1) developing for Android gets you naturally a larger market 2) the ability to keep far more of the revenue per app for yourself. And, 3) (most importantly, I'd think) Not having to deal with the hassle around getting initial app approval, app updates, or arbitrary removal or delisting.

So why do developers feel the need to play Apples game and deal with that hassle when they and, likewise, consumers should benefit from 1, 2, and 3?

Well, I feel I know why. You'll hate this: I don't fell that the problem is Apple. Rather, Apple's behavior is just a symptom of a larger problem.

So again, why do I ask about someone's reaction to Epic vs Google? Well, the end result of Epic vs Google was that a jury found Google guilty on all alleged claims from Epic. (Edit: Google, not Epic, asked for the Jury trial, by the way) That jury more or less said, "Google engaged in anti-competitive practices both with the Play Store and its related billing system, and [unreasonably] maintained its monopoly through how it made deals with partners using its dominant position in the overall technology market."

Or to put it another way: Google deliberately hamstrung 3rd party app stores so they couldn't make a difference and lacked the most popular and most sought after mobile apps. And while, yes, they offer side-loading to make the tech dweebs happy it's completely impractical for any business to use to distribute there applications. Which is text-book anti-competition and abusive monopoly maintenance. (yea, a monopoly is not illegal -- instead it's the actions taken to maintain the monopoly that are examined for unreasonableness or illegality)

Bluntly put: The 3rd Party App stores and sideloading that everyone praises Google for allowing -- it's just optics. A smokescreen.

Where as Apple (at least, initially) came out practically unharmed because they weren't really maintaining their monopoly -- Google was. It's not that there was collusion between the two. But, Apple just got to take advantage of the market benefit of Google's own self-interest.

Even more simply put, Apple's behavior is enabled by Google's actual unreasonable maintenance of its monopoly. Now I can absolutely get that you might say, that there should be rules, regulations, or law prohibiting Apple's conduct regardless of Google. But, what's really better some hamfisted legislation that, ultimately, egomaniacal businesses and CEOs are just going to argue around or work around, ultimately still harming the consumer. Or, actually putting true existential pressure on Apple from competition that will eat them alive if they don't change their tune?

Very few developers and publishers will want to deal with the commission, or rules, or hassle of Apple's App Store if they have viable alternatives that will actually net them more "end of the day" take home pay.

In other words, why can't Apple lockout / lockdown and harass developers and publishers with their laptops and desktop Mac computers the same way they can in the mobile handset market place? It's not a lack of laws or regulations or rules ... It's just that they flat-out wouldn't exist if they did so.

This is why I think, all your fervor and rhetoric should really be directed against Google.
 
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Society shouldn’t be expected to benefit from anything a for profit consumer oriented company. That is the nature of the beast. It should be up to market forces to decide the fate of the such companies.
Problem with that view is when the for profit consumer oriented companies for see ways or are able to directly control "market forces" such that consumers do not get to decide their fate.

Google (regarding the mobile market) has been convicted of this. Apple was previously nearly vindicated but, its (lack of) action regarding its loss on the anti-steering provisions might end up with it effectively in the same boat as Google. Since after it was told the anti-steering provisions were unenforceable / illegal Apple chose actions to implement the judges order that effectively allowed it to control consumer choice and disincentivize developer use. Which is the same thing that Google was convicted of - see my above post. (Also sounds like certain Apple executives are accused of criminal contempt of court for lying under oath, a very bad thing.)

For profit consumer oriented companies are not public utilities. If apple went under, while there would be ripple effects: people could still make calls, perform online banking, dial up their favorite website and order food etc.

If my water company went belly up and stopped sending water through the pipes…
While for profit consumer oriented companies are not public utilities. Some effectively are. You're pretty neutered with out celluar / wireless service, even more so without internet these days. I mean, you can live without both but you are disconnected from the world at large.

Bottom line: Monopolies are not illegal. You literally point #1: Legal monopolies, usually utility monopolies: Water, Electric, (Natural) Gas. There are natural monopolies (e.g. Apple's App Store). And gained monopolies (such as Microsoft Windows for PCs).

What matters with #2 and #3 are the actions taken to maintain said monopolies (or gain them).
 
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Problem with that view is when the for profit consumer oriented companies for see ways or are able to directly control "market forces" such that consumers do not get to decide their fate.
In the general case yes, but that’s not the case with Apple. Can you name one for profit consumer oriented company where if it went out of existence society would collapse? Even the brokerage houses who went out of business in 2008 didn’t cause a societal collapse.
Google (regarding the mobile market) has been convicted of this.
Convicted of what? How does this dovetail to this convi?
Apple was previously nearly vindicated but, its (lack of) action regarding its loss on the anti-steering provisions might end up with it effectively in the same boat as Google. Since after it was told the anti-steering provisions were unenforceable / illegal Apple chose actions to implement the judges order that effectively allowed it to control consumer choice and disincentivize developer use. Which is the same thing that Google was convicted of - see my above post. (Also sounds like certain Apple executives are accused of criminal contempt of court for lying under oath, a very bad thing.)
And I still maintain my original premise.
While for profit consumer oriented companies are not public utilities. Some effectively are.
Apple in no way shape or form should be considered a public utility. If it disappeared yes there would be financial shockwaves but society would go on. Again my example of the collapse in 2008.
You're pretty neutered with out celluar / wireless service, even more so without internet these days. I mean, you can live without both but you are disconnected from the world at large.
Right but you are not neutered if you don’t have an iPhone and that’s the point. Most of the world has android.
Bottom line: Monopolies are not illegal. You literally point #1: Legal monopolies, usually utility monopolies: Water, Electric, (Natural) Gas. There are natural monopolies (e.g. Apple's App Store). And gained monopolies (such as Microsoft Windows for PCs).

What matters with #2 and #3 are the actions taken to maintain said monopolies (or gain them).
Things can go either way. Years ago the doj filed suit against ibm and it lost.
 
You mean to tell me that game developers have no issues with paying 30% to Sony and Nintendo and Steam, but blanch at the thought of paying Apple a single cent more than they absolutely have to?
Well seems like they provide more value for the service 🤷‍♂️. Or they accept it more because alternative sales avenues exist to the same consumers
 
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